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Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« on: March 14, 2012, 04:19:45 pm »

I just uploaded a video showing all instances of stolen dialogs in SC3 I know of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrmSa4oxf50

Some of them are a bit of a stretch, namely the first Orz one and the Arilou one, but it seems obvious to me that they tried (badly) to copy these lines of dialog I compared them to.

It's actually kind of funny: it's almost like they knew their writing is bad, so they threw in good writing from SC2 hoping it would make it better.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 05:28:26 pm »

This was the first big red flag I noticed when playing SC3 for the first time back in '96. The second big red flag was getting the "You lied to the Owa" non-standard game over. Both are hallmarks of remarkably poor design, which is reflected in a mediocre-at-best final product.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 06:56:11 pm »

"You join the Ploxis. Then you die" was another disappointing gray-screen exit.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 07:52:27 pm »

Star Control 2 also had a non-standard game over, but it was fairly obvious. You just have to talk to the Ur-Quan and surrender. I did that once.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 07:53:54 pm »

Quote from: Death 999 on March 14, 2012, 06:56:11 pm

"You join the Ploxis. Then you die" was another disappointing gray-screen exit.

So, wait, that was actually something that happened in that exact way? You lose for creating an alliance with some race called the Ploxis, and you get that text?

(Sorry, I've never played nor do I intend to play SC3.)


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 08:33:57 pm »

Yup. They're kind of the mastermind race on the opposing side and when you finally meet them they'll make a big case for combinating your abilities and fleets to stop the Ultimate enemy(TM). If you agree to working together with them, as far as I recall you literally just get those two rows on a black screen and then the game is over.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 06:04:37 am »

You'd have thought that a game where Hal 9000 is running your ship would have been better :p


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 03:02:53 pm »

Quote from: Admiral Zeratul on March 14, 2012, 07:52:27 pm

Star Control 2 also had a non-standard game over, but it was fairly obvious. You just have to talk to the Ur-Quan and surrender. I did that once.

That was classy, though. I think it made it abundantly clear what would happen, then it faded to white, and title screen (maybe without the fade to white). Similarly with the utwig bomb.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 04:46:37 am »

Has anyone ever pissed of the Dynari without the Talao Shield ? I have never checked to see what happens if you do that.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 07:19:12 am »

Quote from: JudgeYohance on March 16, 2012, 04:46:37 am

Has anyone ever pissed of the Dynari without the Talao Shield ? I have never checked to see what happens if you do that.

You haven't seen what happens if you talk to him without the Taalo shield?

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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 03:43:11 pm »

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You haven't seen what happens if you talk to him without the Taalo shield?

I guess I just never bothered to go near Umgah space until I am nearing the end game.

I'll give this a try tonight.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2012, 05:53:47 pm »

Quote from: Admiral Zeratul on March 14, 2012, 07:52:27 pm

Star Control 2 also had a non-standard game over, but it was fairly obvious. You just have to talk to the Ur-Quan and surrender. I did that once.

I like this, and give it a pass, because it's obvious what will happen and it makes sense in context. Conversely, when you meet the Owa, there's a good possibility you don't really understand their importance, and the truth you have to tell them is pretty awful from a typical diplomatic perspective. So instead of being creative, they decided to railroad you away from it instead. I was annoyed.


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2012, 10:48:10 pm »

Oh, it's worse than that. A reasonable (or finished?) game would at least send it to combat, rather than just ending the game for no good reason. Of course, SC3 being what it is, going to combat would result in the League firing you for daring to be attacked by an alien...


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 01:05:01 am »

Quote from: oldlaptop on March 16, 2012, 10:48:10 pm

Of course, SC3 being what it is, going to combat would result in the League firing you for daring to be attacked by an alien...

As if being attacked is your fault! Grin


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Re: Star Control 3's Stolen Dialogs
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2012, 01:52:15 pm »

If memory serves, I got the instant gameover 3 or 4 times with the Owa because I could not for the life of me figure out what the hell I was supposed to correctly say to them because the dialog options were unclear.


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