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NEMT brought up something interesting...
« on: January 28, 2003, 02:08:13 am »

Despite the horrible things that the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za have done to people all across the globe, NEMT pointed out that almost ALL the races enslaved by the Ur-Quan were very happy with their status.  The Yehat, Ilwrath, and VUX were fighting all they wanted.  The Syreen are blissfully happy on their new planet.  The Mycon are hard to tell, although it seems they had plans to overthrow the Ur-Quan later.  The Androsynth and Shofixti are pretty much gone, so there's no knowing their opinion on the idea, and the Thraddash are very pleased to be battle thralls, despite their lack of action.

Seems like only the humans and the Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrm were upset about being enslaved.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2003, 03:05:07 am »

The Yehat were upset at least about the manner of their defeat...
I doubt that the Crimson Corporation, the Utwig, the Supox, or the frungy-loving Zoq-Fot-Pik would enjoy the Ur-Quan dominion.

Incidentally, I was expecting to see a lot of slave shields in this game and was sorely disappointed. (I mean, races conquered around the time of the Thraddash and slaved ever since)
This could have something to do with it - those we get to meet are those who chose the battle thrall option - races that like to fight would be selected for remaining visible.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2003, 11:24:28 am »

What about the Humans ?  I know that they were'nt thrilled about it.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2003, 01:33:35 pm »

The Umgah weren't too happy either. They couldn't make all the jokes they wanted to because of the slave laws.

On the other hand there's the Arilou, who thought the slave shield over Earth was one of the best things that had ever happened to humans.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2003, 07:46:45 pm »

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There's 1000s of other races, odds are, all the battle thralls are happy, because to be battle thralls, they'd need to have a lust for combat, like most of the SC1 races did.


That's pretty much what I said.
But I do find it odd that there aren't more slave shields up along the northern border of the star map...
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2003, 10:15:37 pm »

I mentioned the humans, although you're right about the Umgah.  I had forgotten about them.

And there's also the Spathi, who WOULD have been perfectly happy being slaves, were it not for the fact that they were tricked into fighting.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2003, 10:54:20 pm »

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That's pretty much what I said.
But I do find it odd that there aren't more slave shields up along the northern border of the star map...


Well, you are assuming a LOT of parallel sentience development in this part of the galaxy. After all, we've got, what, 20+ native races scattered over 500 stars? That's an awful lot of sentient races evolving at approximately the same time. Any more than that really starts to shake my suspension of disbelief.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2003, 12:19:46 am »

But look at the distribution. It's all bunched up where neither ur-quan race has been. Now, I get that the Kohr-ah came through with their FRIEDS and wiped species out - but in the northern wake of the Ur-quan I'd expect a density of races ~= that down in the southwest quadrant.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2003, 06:31:53 am »

Except the Spathi aren't HAPPY.  They'd rather be Battle Thralls then dead, but they all mourn the day the Umgah gave the Ur-Quan the wrong stick.

Aside from the Spathi, and the Yehat who as a whole are not happy with thrall status, all the races who are battle thralls CHOSE to be that way!  Of course they'd be happy with the choice, or they wouldn't have made it!

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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2003, 08:21:04 pm »

I think you neglected that the zoq-fot-pik count for 4 races (don't forget the zebranky) also, did you remember the Burvix?

I'm not saying that the incidence of sentient life is low... I'm just saying that the distribution is very uneven.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2003, 10:00:34 pm »

He's right.  The Burvixese and the Gg.  And possibly the Keel-Verezy, although God knows where they're from.

Also, the Slylandro should be discounted as being older than the other races.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2003, 10:29:10 pm »

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Ur-Quans are both non-native, as are the Orz and Arilou and Melnorme. That leaves 20


Are you sure the Ur-Quan and Melnorme aren't native?

(1) The Sa-Matra is here, and has been here, which leads me to believe that this was the origin point of the doctrinal war, or was at least very close to it.

(2) The Taalo home star is in this area, which says to me that the original area controlled by the Sentient Milieu was here, or at least very close to it. And if that is the case, the Melnorme should be native to somewhere close to here as well.

At least, that's how I've always felt it to be.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2003, 10:54:25 pm »

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(...)so they ordered the remaining eleven races of the Milieu to attack and destroy the Taalo home planet.
This planet was one of the few Milieu worlds located in this region of space.


Says the Melnorme. The rest of the Milieu, including the Ur-Quan, were from other parts of the galaxy.
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2003, 11:20:11 pm »

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(1) The Sa-Matra is here, and has been here, which leads me to believe that this was the origin point of the doctrinal war, or was at least very close to it.


Wasn't the first Doctrinal War started over the homeworld of the Mael num, then ended when the Kzer-Za found and used the Sa-Matra?
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Re: NEMT brought up something interesting...
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2003, 03:55:44 am »

Indeed.  Does the game say that you find the *SPOILER ALERT* Taalo mind shield on the Taalo homeworld?  It could have gotten there through any number of ways.  Perhaps the Orz even stole it.
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