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The Israeli situation
« on: December 28, 2003, 09:27:24 pm »

DJ brought up an interesting point saying that Israel is entwined with the Iraqi situation. Now, seeing as I don't live in the immediate vicinity (though I have visited), I know next to nothing about this.

I mean, I knew that Saddam was very anti-Israel, and that he fired on Israel during the first gulf war, but I was under the impression that the suicide bombers that plague your country are plaestinian, and a direct result of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, ratehr than being fueled in any way by Iraq. Please correct me if my impressions are incorrect.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2003, 09:36:33 pm »

Well, I remember I heard on the news he gave them large amounts of money for weapons and such. Besides that, I don't think anything else connected to him happened(for example, more terrors attack because saddam is captured).
And it isn't just my home, it is the home of Quarsell too!

P.S No, I wasn't even near a terror-striked place but still seeing it in the News is enough.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2003, 09:41:37 pm »

Quarsell? Yet another person I don't know. Sometimes it seems the world is full of them.

So basically, Saddam funded terrorism in Israel, is what you're saying. But in that case, him being caught has very little bearing on your situation, since he probbably hasn't been able to fund any activities for quite a while, what with being on the run.

Not that I'm trying to make light of the situation, the Israel conflict needs to be solved, and quickly, but Saddam hardly had much more than founds to contribute. the hatred there seems to do quite well on its own.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2003, 10:04:43 pm »

It is a problem..... and It can't be solved quickly! Lets say they get a country and we still have ours, you think it will be enough for them? No. They will want the whole region. Not to mention they educate them to hate us, they have cartoons which tell little children to go outside and fight(I think it was while we were in Gaza, I don't know if it is Gaza or Raza. In hebrew we even say Aza. Tricky city...).
You think there will be peace when they teach their children to hate us? If you do you are wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2003, 10:15:19 pm »

Actually, I don't think there can be peace as long as netiher side makes a serious effort to get there.

Both Israeli and Palestininas seem to content at this stage to bluster and shout, but neither side seems to be ready to go any further.

If their palestinian children are being given an education of hate, ask yourself this. Why aren't they getting a proper education? Could it be beacuse their parents usually can/wont afford a proper education?

I'm not in any way trying to defend the palestinians here, they do some pretty horrid things. But the Israeli aren't exactly in the clear either, while they may well be fighting for what they percieve as survival, some of their tactics are quite distasteful as well.

On a side note, I did find it ironically amusing that the egyptian minister sent there to negotiate peace was beaten up by palestinians, and in a mosque of all places. That says a lot about the spirit of cooperation currently residing i nthat divided land.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2003, 09:57:06 am »

i dont want to come off souding stupid, but what excatly are they fighting about. growing up, i didnt watch much news, and when i was back in high school, my school, due to an error on there part, i got to take the first half of history twice. to count for a full credit. so i missed ww1 on up. i never complained, but now some parts of history elude me. sometimes i can fill in the blanks, and my local public broadcasting helps alot, but theres just some things i missed.

so to make a short post long, whats up over there with all the fighting?

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2003, 10:18:53 am »

Long story... but you want a short post. So lets just say that people didn't like jews around the world so they needed to find a "home" for themself. They choose a place(Israel, I think they thought about Uganda which was the second "runner up"). Ofcourse after ww2(not 1) many jews came to Israel and so on so on in 1948 the UN did a vote and allowed us to create a new state:Israel. Ofcourse they didn't want it to happen and tried to kill us( "Throw us to the sea" by their words) in several wars and we got to the situation we are in today.

If you didn't understand any of this(many don't understand me) we are fighting about who will live and who will leave this region. Up until this day, none of the sides are willing to compromise.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2003, 10:51:47 pm »

Isn't that a bit one sided? I mean, trying to view it objectively you're kind of leaving out that there were already people living in present day Israel when the UN made it into Israel. People who were less than happy to be forced to move. Which is really where the problem springs from. Had Israel been empty, and not home to religious places of importance noone would've cared...

Not that Im saying that any arab nation in the vicinity is without blame, they have tried to drive the Israeli into the sea on a number of infamous occasions.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2004, 02:19:05 pm »

as an israeli i saw many times on tv how the palestinians(and some other arab countires too) teach little kids, and i mean little, starting at age 7 to carry weapon, make speeches about how israel is bad and how all jews should die.

i hear many times on tv too, the racism about jews in general, correct me if i'm wrong but that could come up from jealousy from the 3rd world countries, that the jews are less then 1% in the world and making the buisness and money and "controling  the world" -- you have no idea how many times i heard that by other people. i think that's one of the reasons the holocaust ever happened.

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2004, 06:58:23 pm »

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as an israeli i saw many times on tv how the palestinians(and some other arab countires too) teach little kids, and i mean little, starting at age 7 to carry weapon, make speeches about how israel is bad and how all jews should die.

I think you're making two dangerous mistakes here, mistakes of the kind which are the cause of many of the problems like these in Israel:
1. People are all to happy to believe what they hear, without considering the motives of who is saying it, and without regarding the other side. I'm not saying this scene you described didn't happen, but I bet the tv channels you saw this on were Israeli channels.
2. People tend to generalise. What you saw was a couple of palestinians teach little kids to handle weapons etc, and some people from some other Arab countries doing the same thing. But what you say is "THE Palestinians", and "some other Arab COUNTRIES". I strongly doubt that all Palestinians are like this, and I also strongly doubt that the actions by people from other Arab countries were official government policy.

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i hear many times on tv too, the racism about jews in general, correct me if i'm wrong but that could come up from jealousy from the 3rd world countries, that the jews are less then 1% in the world and making the buisness and money and "controling  the world" -- you have no idea how many times i heard that by other people. i think that's one of the reasons the holocaust ever happened.

One way to unite people is to give them a common enemy. In Nazi Germany this was the Jews (among others). I suspect that many things said then about the Jews were said to strengthen the view of the Jews as the enemy. And some of these ideas might have stuck around with some people in current days. I personally haven't heard anyone say anything like this about Jews, but that might be explained that the circles I'm in consist of well-educated people who usually try to think for themselves.
Which brings me to what I consider to be the solution to problems like this in the world, which would be to teach people to learn to think for themselves. A problem with this is that it's hard for a goverment to control people who think for themselves, which might explain why in some highly developed countries the level of education is still very bad. (On the other hand, this may just be incompetance of the governments in question.)

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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2004, 06:59:11 pm »

I thought I am almost alone here.... this game isn't famous in israel.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2004, 06:16:02 pm »

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Well, I remember I heard on the news he gave them large amounts of money for weapons and such. Besides that, I don't think anything else connected to him happened(for example, more terrors attack because saddam is captured).
And it isn't just my home, it is the home of Quarsell too!

P.S No, I wasn't even near a terror-striked place but still seeing it in the News is enough.



Hey pal!
Long time no seen!

The name is Orsquall, or in short- Or.  Smiley

I know for a fact that the Palastiniens were close to Sadam, and when he was caught, they were really sad- and they didn't hide it, you could see it in the news.

However- the issue is not about who likes who,
I belive that the most doesn't represent each and every one, and in the online community everybody should get an equal oppretunity.

If not at real life, then at least in the internet.
Up till now 95% of the people I met are really great, they're all awesome, but lately I'v encountered a community who banned me because I'm from Israel, and they blame Israel for  attacking the Palastiniens and making th eUSA attack Iraq..

That's sad- since I really wanted to help them with things, but if that's what they chose to do..  Huh


I'd like to finish with a small story, and tell you, that I, an Israeli - once played a 2vs2 battle in Warcraft, and my random ally was an Iraqi.
Although he didn't really like me, he saved my base twice - and eventually we won, and that's what allying is about.

Also- my cousine founded a clan with an Irani guy, in Counter-Strike, and they were quite sucessfull..

So you see- no matter what you are going to talk about in this topic, always remember that the goverments don't always represent EVERYBODY.

Sorry I'm not going straight with the topic, I just had to offload all that.  Tongue


Oh- and DJ, I know I'm sometimes away for long, but I'm visiting from time to time.
Sorry about that.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2004, 06:33:16 pm »

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One way to unite people is to give them a common enemy. In Nazi Germany this was the Jews (among others). I suspect that many things said then about the Jews were said to strengthen the view of the Jews as the enemy. And some of these ideas might have stuck around with some people in current days. I personally haven't heard anyone say anything like this about Jews, but that might be explained that the circles I'm in consist of well-educated people who usually try to think for themselves.
Which brings me to what I consider to be the solution to problems like this in the world, which would be to teach people to learn to think for themselves. A problem with this is that it's hard for a goverment to control people who think for themselves, which might explain why in some highly developed countries the level of education is still very bad. (On the other hand, this may just be incompetance of the governments in question.)



Uhh- well, DJ might have only saw it on TV,
but I saw it for real, and they blew the hell out of the mall near my house (DJ do you remember the attack on Dizingof Center?).


If you're asking why and who to blame, well I can tell you that you were right on the first part of your message: some Palastiniens & Israelis are not intrested in peace (e.g. Arafat, Sharon, and terrorists & settelers).


P.s. Sorry about the double post- I'm just trying to raise my post counter.. I'm sick of being some alien's food.   Tongue
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Re: Israel, the home of DJ
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2004, 12:47:35 am »

jiffa you'll be surprised but there are many israelies that played SC. i know at least 10 people that played and really liked star control, some of them from the old starcontrol channel but not all of them, of course it has been 4-5 years and most of them grew up and decided that there are more important things then admiring star control, so they left.

and and Or you think you're good?
bring it!!!! check my rec
http://www.battle.net/war3/ladder/w3xp-player-profile.aspx?Gateway=Northrend&PlayerName=Viki-Knafo

i'm just recently returning so there aren't many games yet.

gl hf! Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2004, 11:08:24 am »

Vikki-knafo... nice!
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