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Re: Ships from best to worst
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2003, 03:31:00 am »

i suppose someone could make a scoring system (u gain more points if the fight is harder ex. fighting a chmmr in a mycon)
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2003, 03:39:56 am »

The Chmmr will not always eventually crash into a planet because the Chmmr has no need to pursue the arilou due to the fact that it cannot catch the smaller ship and because the Arilou poses no threat to the Chmmr if the Chmmr simply stays still.  Basically it's a patience game, and although it could be possible for a Chmmr be defeated by an arilou, firepower, point defense, and health are all on its side, whilst the arilou has only a measly lazer and a teleportation device that doesn't do squat against the Chmmr.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2003, 03:48:32 am »

its a complete patience game. Im just saying that if u do nothing wrong, u can beat a chmmr with an ariloo
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2003, 09:39:52 pm »

Just pillbox with the Chmmr going aganist the Arliou. The Arliou can't do a much of anything and any attempt to attack may result in receiving damage that the Arliou can't afford to take. In this matches I usually let the Chmmr win it's pointless just waiting for something to happen
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2003, 09:53:03 pm »

ah well
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Re: Ships from best to worst
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2003, 10:49:02 pm »

You want to know how the yehat can beat all? Here, now I will explain you all.

There are two diffrent thing between the yehat shield and they utwig shield:
1. The yehat can shoot while the shield is on
2. Yehats' shield isn't long (especially when you shoot too)

To solve the second problem and using the first one correctly the yehat MUST use gravity-wip so he will be a strafing opponet. He gets near to the enemy ship, using the shield and the pulse gun and before the shield is down, he is out of there!!!

Also, you probably wonder how the yehat ship can beat the chmmr, same way as I said before but with a slight diffrence. When the chmmr uses the special ability, the yehat MUST move toward the chmmr so he will move fast toward the chmmr and do the same as before. The terminator is a small ship, it will move very very fast, even more than the gravity wip trick.
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2003, 03:24:22 am »

haha, just a while ago i wished the yehat could shoot with the shield up. gues i missed something
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2003, 04:46:13 am »

The thing is coming up with a good ship list is subjective...you have to consider the person's personal tastes and interests and grounds for coming up with their list (ships they personally like and dislike), then you have to consider if it's versus other humans or the computer...

What I like as far as ship strengths and such is to do something so at least the most part of it is regular - I'd go off the computer since it plays similarly for all of us.  With human vs. human there's always too many variables in there to consider good ships versus not good ships.

Something on the top of my mind because I play it a lot is the VUX (me) versus the world...so I can come up with a good list for the VUX ships...you can do this with the other ships as well...most of the capital ships are pretty fruitless in this regard, since they buzzsaw just about everything....but if a good number of us is willing to do lists like this, it'd be interesting...of course my opinions may change if I find a new strategy that makes these things easy.

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You've Got No Chance Literally: Ur-Quan, Orz, Chmmr
No Chance, But Rare Win Possible: Mycon, Androsynth, Earthling
Possible but you have to be good: Ilwrath, Chenjesu, VUX, Arilou, Shofixti (only because you can't get in range for your laser w/o getting in range for the glory device), Mmrnmhrm, Slylandro, Pkunk, Kohr-Ah, Druuge
Slam Dunk: Supox, Umgah, Spathi, Utwig, Syreen, Zot-Foq-Pik, Yehat, Thraddash, Melnorme
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2003, 05:12:33 am »

I was wondering if the mycon is good against Anything? The only two ships I can think of that the podship stands a chance against is the vux and the earthlings and even they can kill it a good 50% of the time. What good is the mycon?
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Re: Ships from best to worst
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2003, 07:08:07 am »

The Mycon become usefull when you use the plasmoids as shields;  against a slow-firing enemy, the plasmoid saves you from damage, and sometimes continues on to do a point or two of damage to the enemy ship.
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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2003, 02:47:12 pm »

Four things:

1.Lets see... Mycon ship isn't good for anything. Excuse me if I laugh.... It can beat sylandro, pkunk, chenjesu, spathi, earthling(hard), ur-quan,koar-ah(these two are very hard), vux, supox, syreen.... and so on.... The only problem with it is that you need to keep distance between the ships and for certian ships to get close(for example: chenjeso, extremly dangerous).

2.Captian smith, for some ships in the slam-dunk section I must say, dream on.
Supox: are you kidding? Supox has more range and speed than the vux. Are you sure you are playing on awesome level?
Spathi: Again, are you sure you are playing on awesome level?
Utwig: only against the computer you can do severe damage.

I can go on all day, but for conclusion vux is good ONLY against the computer. The only ship it can destroy on human vs human but still can be destroyed by is the drone(umgah), or the first ship after the vux enters(It starts near the ship, usally)

3. Yes you did miss something Chrispy, the Yehat can shoot you while thier shields are up, but then only for short time.

4. About the arilou vs chmmr, the arilou can win. The problem is that you need to be really really good, even over computer skills. You need to shoot and teleport before the laser hits you. It is easy to do in slow motion but almost impossible when the speed is at normal. Doing it one time is lucky enough, but 42 times?
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Re: Ships from best to worst
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2003, 04:39:51 pm »

There are certain absolutes, if I'm not mistaken. One thing everyone can agree about is that the Umgah are at the bottom of the list, right?

Except for the fact above,  I think it depends on what you like to play with. I'm not very good with the Zoqfot, but some people could do pretty cool things with them.

The Pkunk can be great against anything, if you use them properly, even Chmmr, and so is the Terminator (yes, even Chmmr and VUX) - but that's just my pref. not everybody likes them.

The big ships - Chmmr, Khor ah and Ur Quan are pretty solid,
but after a while its more fun to play the impossible matches, for example, how long can you last with a Spathi against Chmmr (I almost won once, but it's a long time)?
Or Orz against Androsynth?
Chmmr against Utwig?
Utwig Vs. Chenjesu?
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Re: Ships from best to worst
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2003, 04:46:56 pm »

Yea it is fun, but chenjesu vs utwig is easy match(when you are the utwig)Sorry.
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2003, 05:13:44 pm »

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2.Captian smith, for some ships in the slam-dunk section I must say, dream on.
Supox: are you kidding? Supox has more range and speed than the vux. Are you sure you are playing on awesome level?
Spathi: Again, are you sure you are playing on awesome level?
Utwig: only against the computer you can do severe damage.


Nope not kidding.  Just checked it and beat the Supox rather easily on awesome with the VUX.  Ditto with the Spathi...and I could agree with you on the Utwig...the computer flashes off it's shield once you get beind the limpeted Utwig...

And speaking of that, anything with more speed and range can be limpeted down enough so they have neither.
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Re: Ships from best to worst
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2003, 05:18:41 pm »

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Orz against Androsynth?
That's not that difficult.
Against human: turn the turret to the aft, wait for the 'synth, your turning rate is good enough. Only at your aft he can get "catched" and kill you quickly. Wait with shooting until he nearly touches you and blast him from sky. Most probably he'll touch you once or twice, but you'll survive.
Against computer: use your good turning rate, when he has lost his battery, *GO-GO* and shoot him.

It's just a little bit of training (this equals for all ships, especially for the Blade).
I'm just a little bit unhappy, that my beloved blade stands no chance against the Dreadnaughts fighters (once they've catched up, which is hard for them) and the Kohr-Ahs' blade and FieryRing(of)Inevitable(and)EternalDestruction. But for the rest my blade is just perfect (although it remains hard fighting some skilled pilots).
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