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« on: February 02, 2004, 05:08:15 pm »

---- REPORT FROM SURFACE ----
CAPTAIN, THIS IS ENSIGN HAWTHORNE STANDING IN FOR BUKOWSKI. SIR, BUKOWSKI HAS FOUND SOMETHING, BUT... WELL... IN THE PROCESS HE HAS GONE KIND OF NUTS. WHEN WE FIRST GOT TO THIS DEMOLISHED CITY, BUKOWSKI WENT WILD BECAUSE THE SCIENCE CENTER WAS PRETTY MUCH INTACT. HE LOCKED HIMSELF IN THEIR COMPUTER CONTROL CABIN AND SPENT ABOUT TEN HOURS ALONE IN THERE. WE COULD HEAR HIM MUMBLING TO HIMSELF, THEN HIS SPEECH GOT LOUDER UNTIL HE WAS ALMOST SHOUTING, AND SIR, HE WAS SCARED, DAMN SCARED. WE FINALLY DECIDED THAT WE'D BETTER CHECK UP ON HIM, BUT BUKOWSKI, WOULDN'T LET US INTO THE ROOM. HE SAID THAT NO ONE COULD EVER KNOW WHAT HE HAD LEARNED -- THAT JUST KNOWING WAS ENOUGH TO ALERT `THEM'. HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT `THEM' -- CRAZY STUFF, SIR, ABOUT HOW `THEY' COULD SEE HIM NOW, AND `THEY' WERE MOVING TOWARD HIM. THEN BUKOWSKI STARTED THRASHING AROUND THE ROOM, SCREAMING THAT HE HAD TO DESTROY EVERYTHING BEFORE `THEY' SAW US TOO. HE DID A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE ANDROSYNTH'S COMPUTER BEFORE WE STOPPED HIM, AND I GUESS HE MUST HAVE HURT HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS. HE'S CUT UP PRETTY BADLY. YOU KNOW, IT'S STRANGE, HE MUST HAVE HURT HIMSELF WORSE THAN I THOUGHT. NOW, WHEN I LOOK AT HIM, IT SEEMS LIKE HE HAS EVEN MORE CUTS THAN JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND BOY, IS HE SCREAMING!


Arilou:

Our motives are multiple, our desires complex.
Part of what we do on Earth is for your own protection.
There are parasites. Creatures who dwell Beyond.
They have names, but you do not know them. They would like to find you
but they are blind to your presence... unless you show yourselves.
The Androsynth showed themselves, and something noticed them.
There are no more Androsynth now. Only Orz.

No. In a way, ignorance is your armor, your best protection.
They cannot see you now. They cannot smell you.
Much of our work with your people involved making you invisible... changing your smell.
If I tell you more, you will look where you could never look before
and while you are looking you can and will be seen.
You do not want to be seen.

now that's interesting, who exactly 'they' are? of course fred and paul may not have written it, just to leave it the
way it is, is the most suspicious and interesting way...
I'm yet to see a discussion about that on the forum, so I figured that's the first(?).

and offtopic, when I had questions about sc2 storyline which were answered in sc3, is it just me or the feeling of it is like the answers in sc3 are unoffical?
just a feeling. I hope fred and paul could cover somethings about the sc3 storyline, what they did in sc3 would've meant in sc2, and what they didn't mean. (for example the rainbow worlds have a purpose which involves sc3 intro, and I dont think fred and paul would even think about the starting story line of sc3 because it's simply BAD. therefore the rainbow world purpose was just something legend studios created, without knowing the original purpose by f&p)

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2004, 07:46:22 pm »

hhmmm..... Well my PERSONAL opinion (and believe me Slyrandro, almost everyone has different views when it comes to the "they", Orz, and Arlou!) is that "they" come from another demension in space. I also think that they are bent on destruction of other creatures. Now - I think that "they" cannot make *sliders* to other demensions. They have to rely on others. Now I think the Orz or bad - but I do not know if they are associated with "they". Or - maybe the eternal 1s are they?

Anyone else?
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2004, 08:09:18 pm »

SC3 was based on the SC2 world, but the answers they provided are in no way canonical, largely due to their being nonsensical and/or banal.

And I think it's pretty obvious that the Orz are from a different dimension. Does ANYONE have conflicting view?
And the Eternal1s can stay outside with the Vyro-Ingo.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2004, 08:23:54 pm »

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Does ANYONE have conflicting view?


Sorry if  did not make myself clear. What I meant was there are many different opinions regarding whether "they" are the Orz, whether the orz ate the androsyn, whether arlou is telling the truth, etc.

EDIT: This is the topic regarding what I was trying to mean. (Note that it is almost 16 pages long)

http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Gendiscuss;action=display;num=1039336915
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2004, 05:57:00 am »

Here are my thoughts on it... First, I will list the quotes I am referring to:

Paul Reiche III:
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<Fwiffo> In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its  fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)
<Fwiffo> We never had to settle on an idea [for a sequel], because we never got that close.  But we were thinking about those missing Androsynth.

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You are so *sticky*.
You cannot *slide* like Orz from *outside* to *inside* and *in between*.
It is sad, but Orz can *pull* the *campers* after being *connected*.

Orz are trying to *pull* the Androsynth, but they are so *silly*, they do not want.
Arilou can *slide*. Also Taalo. Many can *slide*, but Orz are better of course.

Ahaa! I am told other Orz *cousins* you are *connected* for *camping*.
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I am so right. I will tell them again.

Here is *bright* and *smooth*... Other place is **Frumple**.
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Now *smooth* place all the time, and after now never going back to outside. Never!!

On the Androsynth planet:
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...NO SIGNS OF ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT OR INVASION FROM SPACE...

PROBABLY THE WEIRDEST THING WE'VE SEEN, OR NOT SEEN, ARE CORPSES. THERE AREN'T ANY! IT'S AS THOUGH  SOMETHING APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE, BLASTED EVERYTHING WITH NUCLEAR BAZOOKAS, THEN GRABBED ALL THE  ANDROSYNTH AND DISAPPEARED
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AS FAR AS THEIR SCIENTISTS HERE COULD  TELL, THE DEVICES GENERATED DF WAVES WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE USER TO SEE INTO OTHER. WELL, OTHER  DIMENSIONS -- REALMS OF EXISTENCE WHICH SHARE POSITION WITH OUR OWN UNIVERSE, BUT HAVE A DIFFERENT,  UM, WHAT SHOULD I CALL IT, REALITY PHASE.

THEY MADE CONTACT WITH SOMEKIND OF LIFEFORM ON `THE OTHER SIDE', A CREATURE FROM AN ALIEN DIMENSION.

I SEE REQUESTS TO THE CENTRAL COMPUTER FOR INFORMATION -- DATA ON `REALITY ABERRATIONS', THE `MOSQUITO MANGE' AND, ER, GHOSTS, POLTERGEISTS, AND OTHER  MALEVOLENT SUPERNATURAL CREATURES.


Conclusion:

1. The Orz are responsible for the fate of the Androsynth.

2. The Androsynth researched IDF - made contact with Orz.
2a. They began to see things interdimensionally. ("reality aberrations", "ghosts")
2b. They began to develop skin problems ("mosquito mange")

According to the text it appears everything was blasted and THEN the Androsynth were grabbed. This could mean the Androsynth tried to fight the "ghosts" and were then "grabbed" ("pulled").

People cannot "slide" - they are "sticky". So what would happen to someone who started to "phase" (be "pulled") into another dimension? Maybe it would look likes cuts, lesions, etc. Unfortunately, the game doesn't detail what happens to Bukowski, but it implies that cuts continue to develop on him.

So it seems Orz "pulled" the Androsynth "outside" and then came "inside". There are no bodies and no evidence that the Androsynth died (they were "snagged" and "missing"). The "cousins" could be other Orz-like entities... others in that dimension. That would be "them".
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2004, 06:55:02 am »

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2b. They began to develop skin problems ("mosquito mange")

I like everything else in your post, but "mosquito mange" is not similar to ordinary mange in any way.  It's a reference to electomagnetic/gravimetric  forces that seem to defy physical law.  Seemingly supernatural.  Why it's called mosquito mange?  I have no clue.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2004, 08:54:27 am »

IT seems to me that there are 3 parties involved. Androsynth, orz, and “they.”

The androsynth started experiments on IDF and when they became aware of this other dimension ‘they’ and the orz also became aware of the androsynth. The orz knew of our dimension but did not know how to get here. ‘they’ on the other hand are like mindless animals that when they eat something they mutate (think resident evil the movie). ‘they’ started to feed on the androsynth. And when the orz found out about this, they decided to try and help the androsynth and stop the creatures from invading our dimension. They tried to pull the androsynth back into their dimension to remove the creatures, but the shock was too great and all the androsynth died. The orz continued to do scientific work on the dead bodies and found a way to grow a living creature that could survive the shock, and would be controllable while they stay in their dimension. So what you see are not orz but exploration vessels like robots. Also they are VERY embarrassed about not being able to save the androsynth and get angry when ever some one mentions the name.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2004, 09:56:36 am »

Perhaps.

I dont think 'they' are the orz, since the arilou mentioned that they are parasites..
Yet we can't know for sure simply cuz there's not enough info Smiley

Btw for the 1000000th time it's SLYLENDRO, I just love when people start fixing the nick I wrote.
1.I use this nick for about 6 years now. and, how old was I? 11?
My english was even worse then it is now.
2.I realized that it's spelled with A very soon after, but Slylendro with 'e' looks better, and better recognition.
3.I didn't make the signature for nothing you know.

If I see someone on a forum spelling his nick vaurlon I wont reffer to him as vorlon simply because he chose that nick.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2004, 06:10:06 pm »

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I like everything else in your post, but "mosquito mange" is not similar to ordinary mange in any way.  It's a reference to electomagnetic/gravimetric  forces that seem to defy physical law.  Seemingly supernatural.  Why it's called mosquito mange?  I have no clue.

That's interesting. I've never heard of it. Where have you read about it?

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IT seems to me that there are 3 parties involved. Androsynth, orz, and “they.”

That is exactly what I am saying. But I think you misinterpret.

First, when Orz projects its fingers into our dimension we see these as "Orz bubbles". However, this is an illusion:

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That is *funny*. You think you *see* Orz but Orz are not *light reflections*.
Maybe you think Orz are *many bubbles* too. It is such a joke.
Orz are not *many bubbles* like *campers*...
I am Orz. I am one with many *fingers*.
My *fingers* reach through into *heavy space* and you *see* *Orz bubbles* but it is really *fingers*.

There is no growing of living creatures and no experiments with dead bodies.

Notice this: Orz says that it is "people energy". Orz also always needs ships and mech suits to interact in "heavy space". And the problem with Bukowski occurs in the computer room.

Second, there is NO evidence that Orz tried to help the Androsynth and what evidence there is suggests somewhat the opposite. Orz tried to "pull" them and they did not want to go. Again, think about what Paul R. said.

Furthermore, Orz has no problem with attacking the Vux or the humans if provoked, just by being questioned. Orz doesn't seem to care if parts of it "dissolve". It might not necessarily be evil, but it might not understand what it can do to things in heavy space.

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I dont think 'they' are the orz, since the arilou mentioned that they are parasites..

What I am saying is that Orz is from the same place as "them". Orz might even be one of "them". Who knows what it really looks like in its own dimension? The Arilou said there were parasites, but how they are parasitic we do not know. It doesn't have to mean small parasitic animals like fleas.

Hey, Slylendro, not everyone ignores the "e". Wink
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2004, 06:17:00 pm »

Hhhmmmm...

Well the only comment I have is the fact about the officer that went nuts after he went into the CPU room. Here is the quote:

"Orz also always needs ships and mech suits to interact in "heavy space". And the problem with Bukowski occurs in the computer room."

Well - To me - were else could it happen? I mean that once you *show* yourself *they* can get you. Now just because Bukowski went nuts in the CPU room - even when he was taken out he contiunued to get cuts! - That means to me that it was not the energy in the CPU room -   but the information inside them!
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2004, 07:12:47 pm »

Yes, more cuts appear, but I don't suggest that it is energy in the computer room that DOES anything to him.

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THEY' COULD SEE HIM NOW, AND `THEY' WERE MOVING TOWARD HIM

What I suggest is that the cuts are the result of them "pulling" him (they moved toward him). Since we are dealing interdimensionally, they could continue to pull him even outside of the computer room. Again, there were no Androsynth bodies (they did not flee and die from wounds), but the evidence points to that they experienced the same thing. Bukowski did something with the computer so that they could reach him and they kept pulling him.

Technology, then, would be the key for their interaction with this dimension. Otherwise, they are on a different "phase" and appear to us as ghosts.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2004, 07:19:30 pm »

Good point. However, Bukowski does not die, at least not as a result of these injuries. That is to say, the active duty roster does not decrease. So I guess he gets better???
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2004, 07:20:20 pm »

I don't think that he did anything to the CPU's. I just think he learned to much. Remember arlou talks about if we know to much we can get killed.

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What did you modify on Earth, AND WHY?!
Our motives are multiple, our desires complex.
Part of what we do on Earth is for your own protection.
There are parasites. Creatures who dwell Beyond.
They have names, but you do not know them. They would like to find you
but they are blind to your presence... unless you show yourselves.
The Androsynth showed themselves, and something noticed them.
There are no more Androsynth now. Only Orz.

This sounds creepy. Please go on.
No. In a way, ignorance is your armor, your best protection.
They cannot see you now. They cannot smell you.
Much of our work with your people involved making you invisible... changing your smell.
If I tell you more, you will look where you could never look before
and while you are looking you can and will be seen.
You do not want to be seen."

So He learned about *they* - The CPU room was just were it happened. I think the same thing would have ahppened if he would have come across a book in the libary with the same info.  
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2004, 07:21:29 pm »

Death_999: That's the problem. We don't really know WHAT happens to him. Does he get better? The crew roster doesn't go down, but there are probably many small, technical details in the game, that don't fit perfectly.

FalconMWC:

I disagree. From the Melnorme:

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Following the end of the War, the Androsynth began experimenting with Inter-Dimensional Fatigue, a process which is related to your faster-than-light drive but involves dimensions far more alien than HyperSpace. They had just made a major breakthrough when they were suddenly wiped out ...


Hyperspace, quasispace, and other forms of IDF in the game all require technology to manipulate them. And in the quote you used, the Arilou say that if people know more, they will look. It requires an action.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2004, 07:26:15 pm »

Well other than the fact that you don't lose a crewman. There is no evidence suporting either way.
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