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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2003, 07:23:15 pm »

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Seeing as the active Sa-Matra can apparently wipe Broodhomes off the map before they get into range, I'm inclined to agree.

But in that case, what's the deal with the Chmmr? I mean, their ships aren't even close to the Chenjesu range-wise, and they aren't as fast as the Mrnhrm ships.
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they were doing alright against the regular Quan forces, and then they got blasted into bits. the Chmmr, while undoubtedly great ships against the rest of the Hierarchy couldn't really defeat the Sa-Matra anyway, so what's the point of merging at all?
WHY HAVE YOU INTERUPTED THE PROCESS?
The process of merging was not finished when you came. Who knows what kind of ship the Chmmr would have designed when the process would have completed as planned.

They designed the process to emerge so strong, that they can defeat the Sa-Matra alone, since they did not believe that the rest of the Alliance could help them then.

BTW: Did they plan to hunt the Kzer-Za until they could destroy the Kzer-Za fleet and the Big Trophy?
Even in SC1 it must have been known, that the Ur-Quan would leave this sector for new races to subjugate in nearby quadrants.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2003, 07:24:47 pm »

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the Chmmr, while undoubtedly great ships against the rest of the Hierarchy couldn't really defeat the Sa-Matra anyway, so what's the point of merging at all?


Maybe the current Avatar isn't what the Chenjesu and the Mmrnmhrm originally planned, but what they ended up with, when the process was accelerated with the sun device.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2003, 07:42:09 pm »

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Maybe the current Avatar isn't what the Chenjesu and the Mmrnmhrm originally planned, but what they ended up with, when the process was accelerated with the sun device.


Also, with you blazing around the galaxy with a Dnyarri and a really big bomb, there actually isn't any need for the Chmmr to do anything about Sa-Matra. Thus, it is hardly strange that the Chmmr change their plans somewhat when you show up. Admittedly, this reasoning fails in the case where you finish the process before getting hold of the Dnyarri and/or Utwig Bomb?
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2003, 07:47:41 pm »

Err.. good point,. I never really thought about it that way while playing, I always assumed you just accelerated the process, not changed it. But according to the logs on PONAF that's exactly what I did. Darn, never meant to screw the Chmmr up...

Also Krulle, I do think they meant to hunt the Kzer-Za down, they srike me as very moral creatures, and as long as the Kzer-Za were only pushed away from this part of space one could never be sure they wouldn't return in even greater numbers, and with even more powerful weapons...

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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2003, 08:39:03 pm »

WE ARE FREE!
YOU HAVE FLOODED OUR SYNTHESIS MECHANISMS WITH A WEALTH OF RADIANT ENERGY.
WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE DECADES HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN SECONDS.
THE PROCESS IS INCOMPLETE, YET WE HAVE EMERGED.
WE ARE THE CHMMR.


This could either mean the process was incomplete yet they emerged as if it was, or it was incomplete and they emereged, but not as they wanted..
(then again - "was was supposed... accomplished in seconds" .. hmm)
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2003, 10:28:42 pm »

The problem is not knowing exactly what the "WHAT" is referring to. Do they mean the entire process was accomplished in seconds or that their emerging from the process (complete or not) was accomplished in seconds?

I think we can only speculate as far as that goes.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2003, 10:34:33 pm »

You're probably right about that... Wer may never know.

Here's a crazy speculation : What if the ultimate goal of the Chmmr was actually to become a Sa-Matra? We've all assumed that their idea was to evlove into a new race like the Chmmr, whose SHIPS were capable of taking on the enemy. But what if they were simply going to bypass that by morphing into a battle station ready for action? I mean, with their Chenjesu components capable of hearing hyperwawe transmissions, absorbing energy from the sun and whatnot, and the mechanical abilities of the Mrnhrm, maybe their ultimate goal was to merge into one large sentient being? One living battle station capable of wiping out the Sa-Matra with a single shot? Do you thin kthey'd have been willing to give up both races futures just to protect their allies and their way of life?
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2003, 01:49:45 pm »

Lukipela: I like that idea. But they must have planned to be stronger than the Sa-Matra, because the Ur-Quan would have supported the Sa-Matra with their fleet.

BTW: They planned to overthrow the Ur-Quan slave empire (as far as i remember). Therefor, they must have planned to confront the Ur-Quan, even if they are not in this region of space anymore.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2003, 02:05:39 pm »

Yeah, I only used to term Sa-Matra to make their battlesataion comparable. It would have to be a LOT stronger, but I think it's still doable. Seeing as they are blanet bound ,they might even have considered transforming along with the entire planet, or drawing more resources from there to build it even bigger than if it was just the two species combined...
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2003, 03:15:54 pm »

Something like that. I just wanted too make it clear. But in the end we'll probalbly never know, since we _have_ interrupted the process, and not just speeded it up.

Likely it's as said before: they needed time (for starship research, weapon-research and so on) and energy for the synthesis/ emerging from the cocoon/planetary shield.
Since you gave them energy in plenty, they missed some time for their complete schedule.

Unless the Chmmr will tell us in SC3v2, we'll never know. And it's not something i need answered. What's more pressing to me, is: how many races can i free from being slaveshielded in SC3v2, who created the Mycon (if the Umgah were right about them being artificial), what becomes of the Druuge, why we never find any remnants of colonies founded by other species (they all have just one homeworld, even in Zoq-Fot-Piq space, who tell you about their destructed colonies, i have never found any bombarded planet),...
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2003, 07:24:47 pm »

As for colonies left behind by other races, I don't think there is any great mystery.  I bet they simply didn't have time to write in any colonies/mines/etc, so they just went with a homeworld and a region of space where you can find the ships.  I think that is a pity, but not a huge deal.  I am interested in see how they fortified a system, though....

As for the Chmmr becoming/building a huge ship to fight the Sa-Matra, that's a cool idea.  It would take a long time, I imagine to build something close to the power of Sa-Matra, as it was a precusor warship.  

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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2003, 01:38:04 am »

I doubt the Chmmr would want to "convert" the whole planet to a battle platform, since when you speak to them they say their plan was to complete the process, then break down the shield and emerge. It seems a bit odd to think of the whole planet as huge platform.. but it's a cool idea indeed Tongue
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2003, 01:59:06 am »

I think the race-as-a-battle-platform idea may be clever, but I don't like it.

What I think morelikely is that the chmmr avatar was supposed to be much like it is, except that instead of 3 zapsats, it has like 80, and together their lasers are powerful enough to neutralize the sa-matra weapon. At that point, it wouldn't need a main weapon - just more tractor power... MUHAHAHA

Either that or they wanted to make the main laser have a range as long as that of the sa-matra. Or they'd cross the beams and do a death star like converging gun thing... only lots of them and firing continuously, with five second breaks every ten seconds. Not something that can be done in melee, but in cut-scenes it would make sense.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2003, 06:05:35 am »

I doubt they'd have bothered to have the plans for Avatars whipped up already when you first bring down the shield if they weren't planning to need them.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #89 on: February 06, 2003, 02:16:34 pm »

I have never seen any Avatars, except in my fleet. Apparently (to me) they have never built any Avatars. They just gave you some resources, and your starbase built the Avatars. Even when i revisited Procyon, i never saw any Avatars.

From the storyline i know what Talana tells me, that the Chmmrs cut through both Ur-Quan forces with their Avatars.
I supposed they started building them when i started for the destruction of the Big Trophy.
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