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Topic: How can Kor-Ah beat Ur-Quan? (Read 9023 times)
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AnonomouSpathi
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Spathi? What spathi? You're imagining, hunam.
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I'm pretty sure there is at least one conversation in the game that spells out why the kohr-ah are going to win - the showfixti managed to annihilate a good portion of of the ur-quan dreadnaughts when they pulled their ultimate glory device ploy, and the kzer-za are simply outnumbered. After a prolonged conflict with the alliance, and then with the showfixti managing to do that much damage, they're just too weakened to be able to hold off against the kohr-ah.
I'm not convinced battle thralls turn the tide in the kzer-za's favor overall either. Doctrinal conflict rules seem pretty clear that only ur-quan are allowed (as show by what happens to the thraddash if they intervene). If anything, that means in this conflict, the kohr-ah have an advantage. The Kzer-za share their resources with other races that aren't allowed to take part in the battle, but still suck up the RUS. The Kohr-ah, on the other hand, just blow you up, and share nothing save death.
The manual says that only one ur-quan is one every ship...but oddly enough, not one of the slave races has seen an ur-quan since the fighting began. The kzer-za aren't going back to pick up battle thralls as crew, and the history of the ur-quan does say that the repulsion and hunter instincts of the ur-quan can be conquered. It would seem the doctrinal war required only ur-quans to be involved, and if that means putting up with each other in close proximity...well, the ur-quan do it. It's the fate of the galaxy, after all, the most important part of ur-quan culture. I think they'll deal with each other.
As for whether or not races would be slave shielded after a certain period of time...well, looking at the doctrinal war, I'd say probably no. The ur-quan basically told their battle thralls "We're leaving now. Do as your told. If you're not, when we come back, we're going to exterminate your species." - and it would seem they were content their reputation would get the job done.
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Nicely summed up, Anon. There is one flaw in what you say: the hierarchy races do NOT suck up the Kzer-za's resources. The Ur-Quan take hierarchy races along as support, and probably make them pay for their own stuff. If battle thralls proved to be that much of a disadvantage, the Ur-Quan would only use slave shields and have no hierarchy at all.
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AnonomouSpathi
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Spathi? What spathi? You're imagining, hunam.
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Oh, by sucking up resources I didn't mean that they're taking away from the ur-quans budget. Just that if the Ur-Quan say "Ok, you guys pay your own way, here's your planet", then they've lost the equivalent of a planets worth of resources for each race, something which the Kohr-ah never worry about, since there aren't survivors to claim planets. Given the way the Kzer-za apparently feel about the expendibility of the thralls, I'd imagine a planets worth of resources is not great cost for an entire species to die in combat - even if they're only mildly useful, it's still less dead ur-quan. Comparing how they value themselves to everyone else, well, that's a big reason to keep em around.
And I mean, they did throw the bulk of the ilwrath fleet against the mhrmnrm and the chenjesu, and that couldn't have turned out especially well for the ilwrath. But, I get the feeling the ur-quan would much rather have one less mineral rich planet and a whole bunch of dead ilwrath then one more planet and a whole bunch more dead ur-quan.
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