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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2013, 06:26:50 am »

At least check your facts if you're going through all the effort of writing.
If you wanna join the writing team so you can read through everything make sure facts are checked as you have memorized every single line from SC2 then you're more than welcome. In fact a person like that would be good to have on the team and I've been looking for someone like that, I could catch mistakes sooner.
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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2013, 09:04:09 am »

Sadly some people just don't get it and cant help themselves from trying to insult or bring down other people and ruin the project. Both the current project leaders know well enough I have a more than an enthusiastic attitude about being involved in this project, I guess you never really created anything before because you don't really understand what a rough draft is, as seen here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rough+draft. No one in their right mind would think the very first test run is suppose to be the final thing, and I already changed the major events of the plot-line. Why? Because because any person who takes anything seriously takes the time to go through things called "drafts". If I didn't know any better I'd say your...event, with no longer working on the project is why you troll so hard, and your effort to bring down the members of the project won't accomplish anything.

Wow that's rich! By commenting on the UQM forum, how exactly am I trying to ruin your project, heh?

FYI I was drawing/animating the new races while developing their plot to the level of a rough draft you can see on both wikis. Incomplete, yes, but not nearly as sloppy as the abomination you claim is a "rough draft", which is at places nothing better than unintelligible gibberish. Now how that's supposed to be reviewed by anyone without the fear of developing a brain tumor? Nobody is interested in something that's "pumped out" into existence, and claiming it's a "rough draft" doesn't justify the obvious quality problems and the inglorious display of ignorance on the subject. Nobody would mind a few misspellings and a few misunderstandings of the original concepts, but your writing -- even in the eyes of an amateur, even in the eyes of someone who were never in P6014 -- is crap, which still would be forgivable would you have not boasted about it's qualities on a forum it doesn't belong to in it's current state.

Calling others trolls won't make your case any stronger. If you don't like negative comments of people posting their opinions as fans of the original SC2, there's the safe haven of the P6014 plot development forum for P6014 members. This forum is NOT it, so go take your insipid shit over there and stop annoying people here!
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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2013, 05:09:48 pm »

Keep typing all you want, I'll just work with my new voice-actor/writer on the project.
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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2013, 07:06:46 pm »

It's been getting rather ugly around here lately....

Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics.
Even if you win, you're still retarded.   Wink


Who's the voiceover? Tell me it's Ben Stein!

Well, here's a "work in progress"/"proof of concept" clip:
Maloo Orture from the forums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaS6tUumb0U


Can we change the title from "Star Control 3" plot to something like "Project 6014 plot ideas: SPOILERS".  This is NOT Star Control 3.  That game already came out.

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« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2013, 07:32:10 pm »

Yeah I think the voice has a good tone, a sort of "all-mighty" but still robotic monotonous voice very well suited for the Chmmr. The only thing I don't like is that reverb, it's too organic and you can hear it too well, it's like you're standing in a cathedral.
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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2013, 07:49:52 pm »

Yeah I think the voice has a good tone, a sort of "all-mighty" but still robotic monotonous voice very well suited for the Chmmr. The only thing I don't like is that reverb, it's too organic and you can hear it too well, it's like you're standing in a cathedral.

Reverb existed in the original too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1Ss0h4GbM

It's fine in my book.  Unless somebody makes something better, it stays.
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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2013, 07:52:01 pm »

Yeah I think the voice has a good tone, a sort of "all-mighty" but still robotic monotonous voice very well suited for the Chmmr. The only thing I don't like is that reverb, it's too organic and you can hear it too well, it's like you're standing in a cathedral.

Reverb existed in the original too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1Ss0h4GbM

It's fine in my book.  Unless somebody makes something better, it stays.

Well the original seems a little over-board, but it's not like it's a serious issue, Maloo did a good job and it seems a higher quality than the original.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2013, 06:30:59 am »

Im not fond of that story draft, it has so many errors in it. It does need work and I would change the precursor thing...

And a million galaxies to produce that much life? Please...

Milky Way has 200-400 billion stars in it and many more planets, the fact that even in reality it would have thousands of lifebearing planets or hundreds of civilizations present is not that far fetched. Many scientists think so nowadays. The building blocks that make (carbon based) life are abundant throughout the galaxy, if there are reasonable conditions life will form and spread, aggressively, and prevail. And life can exist in other forms too which Star Control has also explored, like silicon based or ammonia based... even gas creatures arent too far fetched.
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2013, 01:57:30 pm »

I know for silicon based you're talking about Taalo and Chenjesu, but what about ammonia? Slylandro?
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2013, 02:53:43 pm »

Im not fond of that story draft, it has so many errors in it. It does need work and I would change the precursor thing...

And a million galaxies to produce that much life? Please...

Milky Way has 200-400 billion stars in it and many more planets, the fact that even in reality it would have thousands of lifebearing planets or hundreds of civilizations

I really have no idea why you wouldn't discuss it on the actual topic rather than randomly bring it back to here. And I hate to break it to you but haven't you ever wondered why after 3.8 billion years we haven't seen life spontaneously form again? It's because it's really  damn improbable for it to happen even once. We can have thousands of potentially habitable planets, definitely not thousands of life-bearing planets. The materials for life to form on Earth are even more abundant, but only the original base pairs of DNA spontaneously formed one time 3.8 billion years ago, and scientists have never produced life from scratch in a lab yet. With that in mind we scientifically have no concrete idea how life spontaneously forms, all we can say is it really doesn't happen that often, and having a 1/4,000,000,000 chance  at most and only on the worlds with a diverse enough materials and a good enough supply of energy definitely doesn't guarantee us "thousands of lifebearing planets".

The building blocks that make (carbon based) life are abundant throughout the galaxy, if there are reasonable conditions life will form and spread, aggressively, and prevail. And life can exist in other forms too which Star Control has also explored, like silicon based or ammonia based... even gas creatures arent too far fetched.

If you think star control explored a lot you should see Star Trek. Also I don't really see what qualifies you to determine that gas life "isn't too far fetched", I don't hear NASA or any biologist in existence searching for gas-like life in the galaxy or even on Earth, the most they hope for is Silicon based life.
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2013, 04:31:27 pm »

By gas creatures im talking life found in gas giant zones like on Source. It doesnt have to be sapient, and most likely aint. That why i find the slylandro so intresting. And as to the precursor thing I dont like that they seeded most of the life in the galaxy or that they were even the first. They might have been among the first ones, and they might have seeded some of the planets, but all of them.... thats going a little too far. Especially with the arilou and orz. Id see arilous as one of the first species rather than being seeded by the precursors. And the orz, leave them alone, they dont have to have anything to do with the precursors, they works as they are; an alien entity from another dimension.

I still think a million galaxies of life is an overly pessimistic guess. We dont even know how many aliens species Star Control galaxy really has, kohr ah destroyed at least 5000 civilizations as they have boasted. Ur-quan dominated thousands of species. So i guess the total number before kohr ah cleaning would be 10000-20000. Its a large number still(tough small in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of planets), but a million galaxies worth of life... no way.

As to real life, guesses are all we have at this point really. But "rare earth" hypothesis, im not buying into that. It assumes too many things from one point of view only and one example, our own planet.

http://www.space.com/19157-billions-earth-size-alien-planets-aas221.html

Thats a lot of potential right there.
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2013, 05:11:45 pm »

By gas creatures im talking life found in gas giant zones like on Source. It doesnt have to be sapient, and most likely aint. That why i find the slylandro so intresting.

I still think a million galaxies of life is an overly pessimistic guess. We dont even know how many aliens species Star Control galaxy really has,

However many races are in star control has no application to reality whatsoever. My estimate is really an over optimistic, in reality it's more like 1/10^100 chance of life forming on a decent enough planet. That's why we need the Precursors.


Exactly, Earth sized, not Earth-like. Venus is Earth sized but it's atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide with air temperatures hot enough to melt aluminum. Stable chemical bonds that form complex reactions will have a hard time being sustained in an environment like that  and the same is true for very cold environments.
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2013, 05:16:33 pm »

By gas creatures im talking life found in gas giant zones like on Source. It doesnt have to be sapient, and most likely aint. That why i find the slylandro so intresting.

I still think a million galaxies of life is an overly pessimistic guess. We dont even know how many aliens species Star Control galaxy really has,

However many races are in star control has no application to reality whatsoever. My estimate is really an over optimistic, in reality it's more like 1/10^100 chance of life forming on a decent enough planet. That's why we need the Precursors.


Exactly, Earth sized, not Earth-like. Venus is Earth sized but it's atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide with air temperatures hot enough to melt aluminum. Stable chemical bonds that form complex reactions will have a hard time being sustained in an environment like that  and the same is true for very cold environments.

Well I guess we only have to agree to disagree then.
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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2013, 05:26:08 pm »

Even though real extra-terrestrial life may (or may not) be rare, we have to look at what exists in the Star Control universe. Life is pretty plentiful.

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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2013, 05:38:59 pm »

I think the mystery of the precursors should be kept, even for the fan game. We dont need to know so much about them, and I definately dont see them as seeders of all galactic life.
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